Now, as I look at the many arguments over Sonic Boom, and hell, look back at all the bickering that on over Lost World, there’s always the constant reminder at how Sonic fans are so negative, an constant comparing them to Nintendo fans, making it our as if Sonic fans are the only rabid fans, despite every other fandom being just as bad and doing as much dirt, including Nintendo fans. In any case, what I’m gonna do is write a series of articles clarifying why all this negativity exists in the first place. Here’s the first of that series of articles.

-Sonic going from cool to kiddy-

If you don’t see this as a problem, you’re either one of those guys who specifically likes kiddy games, prefer them because you think Sonic sucked when trying to be cool and edgy, and/or don’t understand Sonic, his creation, and success. First and foremost, Sonic was made to be a cool character, and for as many people who argued against Sonic games being dark, those arguing against him being kiddy should and do have the same right. Sonic was made to be the anti Mario, not to be like every game that was trying to copy him, hell, this was the very reason we had all those anthro games characters in the first place, because of Sonic, and honestly, I think Ninja Turtles had something to do with it to, because Sonic resembled them in coolness, hell, Sonic was even cooler then them at the time of their 90’s cartoon. There’s also the fact that many people don’t like kiddy looking games, even kids don’t, which is why I would have to ask this question: why didn’t people look at content like Ninja Turtles, and other games and cartoons that emulated them and Sonic?


Trying to hard to be cool right?

Really if you think about it, there’s so much hype over Sonic and Mario being rivals and such, but style wise, Sonic fits more with the cast of Playstation All-Stars then he does in Super Smash Bros, especially with 2 of their popular characters, Sly and Ratchet, fit with Sonic’s style, and the games over style in itself. This goes to show the lack of taste or standards the people in this fanbase have if they think Sonic has to be kiddy because “he’s a cartoon Hedgehog” when there’s so much going against that lame notion.

If this isn’t trying to hard, I don’t know what is.

The funny part is that despite all the hate 3D titles got for trying to be epic, people seem to forget that Sonic was actually just as epic or even moreso then more maturer looking titles back in the day, at least when it came to final boss battles with Sonic 2 , and a lot more with the ending of Sonic 3 and Knuckles. Flying through space chasing down a giant robot is a lot more exciting and epic then fighting Shao Khan in Mortal Kombat, or Gargos in Killer Instinct 2(and a lot easier).


Flying in a special golden form in a level literally called Doomsday.


Same old fight you were in a number of times before, you’re just at the last guy.

Hell, being a cartoony game that did that type of stuff is what made Sonic edgy in the first place, and that’s what made him cool in the first place. To bash on Sonic “trying to be cool”, is the same as bashing Sonic and the series itself. Also, refer back to Sonic being colorful or cartoony doesn’t mean he’s exactly kiddy.

To put it shortly, we had something great with this series, and if it’s not bad enough that it was taken away from us, you have people who act like it was a bad thing to try and be cool(which again was the reason for Sonic’s success), and even worse when they act like being kiddy isn’t a problem, or even more that it’s preferable, when it hasn’t been for any party outside of the very people who think that.


Ok, so a lot of times I’ve read people saying that Sonic being color contributes to one of the reasons he’s a kids game or should be kiddy.

Sweet ToothColorful? Like my hair?

That argument itself is flawed given the number of games that were very well balanced despite being colorful or being bright, which even then, you only have to get to Marble Zone, right after Green Hill, to see the difference, where the stage is mainly dark purple and the brightest color there is coming from the molten lava that could kill you. That’s why the purpose of this article is to combat that “opinion” with said games of Color or cartoony characters, but still remaining balanced.

Earthworm Jim

While colors and even cartoony, the game has a number of dark levels like what the heck and the final level, while the others are more balanced, not really too dark but not very light either(compared to Sonic). Jim comes close to Sonic’s coolness with the stage tone and great music, at least for the first game, and while it’s comical, the 2nd game kinda tone down Jim’s own edge that he showed with his face before the stages started and the more serious look he had in his stance. Now he’s more worried looking while jogging in place, while both game and music just got a lot more sillier.


The Toads are about int eh same boat as Earthworm Jim, just less colorful. They’ve gotten 3 other games, and while not much different aside from graphics, the arcade game took it up a notch…

Blood, gore, decapitations, seeing you enemies on the toilet, vomit, crotch grabbing and abusing, and being able to see the Dark Queens nipples in the background of the boss battle for level 3. These are very cartoony characters, even being based on TMNT, but they were still able to do all this stuff without getting too much static over it from fans. The levels were overall darker to.

Gunstar Heroes

While having bright coloring in the first stage, the game mainly puts on a more serious face, though some of the characters can have different expressions and still come off as cartoony sometimes, it doesn’t go too much into that direction to make the tone seem kiddy. Pay attention to the music to, instead of sounding more like Mushroom Kingdom or Green Hill to fit the stage, the music fits more with the tone of the game and the constant action. This also got some sort of a sequel on the gameboy Advance, but while it seems more like a remake, it’s got a few extra things here and there and more dialogue, which touches more on the story as you play on harder levels.


Pretty much a lot like Gunstar heroes but less colors and actually a bit more cartoony sometimes.

Guardian Heroes

This game actually looks more cartoony then Gunstar Heroes, but the action is just as chaotic and fierce, and the narrative of the game also pushes it in a more serious direction, and that in itself depends on what paths you take. It’s also worth noting that both this also got a remake on the gameboy advance, and it’s pretty much as I described the original here.

Now, if you think Sonic is a kids game, then you really would need to see these titles and see the big difference in both music and art style:

Now those are kids games right there, and before I forget, here’s a game from my childhood that actually was based on a cartoon, yet, look how realistic it looks compared to the last 3 games:

With all that, we have to look back at Sonic.



The main thing about Sonic was how much cooler and edgier he could be. The fing…


Let me explain that before jump all over me. The finger wagging, the waiting animations, his look alone, contributed to him being more edgy because they’re weren’t too many games like that back at the time, nor characters that did what he did. Even Earthworm Jim and Sparkster were inspired by him, and while the Toads were suppose to be copies of the Ninja Turtles, the Turtles themselves were originally edgy and even more serious in their first conception, Sonic himself ended being the TMNT of videos games if you will, both spawning meany copies after their coolness. What also contributed to Sonic being edgy, was that he had the potential to have more balanced and even darker tones once you get past Green Hill Zone, I mean, right up there around both the Battletoads arcade game(minus gore) and Earthworm Jim, and how epic Gunstar Heroes and even Sparkster could be around the end. In short, being edgy doesn’t just me being gory and having more mature content, but being unconventional and pushing boundaries, and even then, you could see the darkness that could be found in Sonic from both SATAM and the comics, and not just them being dark, but them taking their narrative seriously(while still having humor of course) and the trials it took to overcome all the challenges despite how bleak things could get.

On another note, if you still think being more colorful means a game has to be childish, you can refer back to my article on Wildstar. Oh, and you would also have a hard time believing that this is an M rated game.


The explosion of color never has been so kiddy. XD

After talking with a few other folks tome time ago, some pages from TVTropes were brought to my attention. It seems that there always seems to be a problem with animation that takes itself seriously and a combination of moral guardians and executives who either get the shows flipped up or outright cancelled, which bothers me that shows like Family Guy and American Dad are able to exist, though, we still have some good adult cartoons, most of them are just on adult swim and more about satire then action, not that it’s a bad thing of course(Boondocks, Black Dynamite, Venture Bros.), but worth noting. The thing about this is how it’s effecting the Sonic franchise, in a very negative way, but it’s not even parents, but other gamers, mainly Nintendo fanboys, at this point they’re the main group of gamers who don’t like dark or serious content but claim gameplay is most important, meaning that content is still important in how the judge games they may now have played, as shown here….

Gameplay vs. Mature

There’s more to this here:

I mean come on, the Ratchet and Clank fanbase actually demanded a more serious Ratchet game and they got it with Into the Nexus. It was short but sweet, and half the price of most AAA titles. In any case, the Nintendo fanboys/drones/corporate slaves, not the whole fanbase, just many that claim to be sonic fans, with Sonic games, replace the moral guardians in Sonic’s situation when it comes to people not being able to handle him being dark or serious, much like adults who don’t like this in animation. However, executive meddling still comes into play here, at least if you count Izuka’s decision making since SA2, and how much control Sega of Japan may have over the series, like the constant worshiping of Mario.

Getting back on other shows, it seems that for a long time, we’ve been having people decide our content for us when it comes to TV(Which is probably why Video Games probably come under fire so much since they have almost total freedom to do whatever and are easily accessible), while the fans of the shows in question have no say in the matter. The tropes I’m posting here are some of the more glaring examples of the negatives, Sonic SATAM even getting in on the action. There’s a lot here, and I didn’t want this article being too long, I just wanted this to be brought to peoples attention and show how it’s effecting Sonic, but it also goes to show why we don’t have many good cartoons on these days. Consider my article over from this point on, the rest are just the tropes. I may elaborate more on this at some point.


What Do You Mean Its Not For Kids: Western Animation:

According to Todd McFarlane, when he first started pitching an animated version of Spawn, the networks he talked to wanted to make a Saturday morning version. Right down to talking animal sidekick, though at that point he may have been being sarcastic in his recollections. It seemed none of the big-wigs realized that a character whose name was short for “Hellspawn” and who was horribly burnt head to toe and fought against multiple angels and devils across Earth, heaven and hell itself wasn’t a good fit alongside the light-hearted fair common to those slots. Then again, when he finally got the nod from HBO, airing past-prime-time with numerous warnings of its content, people still complained that this ‘kiddie cartoon’ was so graphically violent and sexual, leaving him feeling like he never should have bothered in the first place.

 Young Justice. You’re telling me the concept of a covert team of vigilante child soldiers fighting a super villain Illuminati while slowly but surely crossing whatever lines they have to (up to and including faking the death of one of their own by another member so she might be planted as a deep cover agent in said organization) slowly being torn apart on a psychological level by all their secrets is supposed to be an innocent adventure in the DC universe? Also, the whole show had pacing that was much more deliberative than most children would be used to. Given its time slot, god only knows who it actually was for.

    The complex story and good pacing had nothing to do with the target audience. It was indeed made for a young audience, just older children (8-14 year olds). This is more of a case of What Do You Mean It’s For Kids? It just had a lot of Parental Bonus that older viewers enjoyed.

Animation Age Ghetto

SWAT Kats jumps to mind. Running from 1993 to 1995, It was among the earlier western attempts at breaking the ghetto, and, in spite of the many problems that popped up because of that, the series went on to become a hit and garnered high ratings.
(From their main page)
Unfortunately, SWAT Kats’ attempts to break out of the Animation Age Ghetto came too soon for many people, and the series took criticism for its violent content. Even before that, the show underwent extensive Executive Meddling during its first season, forcing the creators to insert several inherently silly and “kid-ified” stuff aimed at younger audiences (which clashed horribly with the show’s dark premise). This changed in the second season, since the first season’s good ratings enabled the series to get an Animation Bump (and a slight makeover) that resulted in a Darker and Edgier style which proved to be a better fit for the show.

The show was cancelled after its second season, passed over in favor of Turner’s “What A Cartoon!” project (which gave birth to future Cartoon Cartoons such as Dexter’s Laboratory, The Powerpuff Girls, and Johnny Bravo). At the time of its cancellation, SWAT Kats was one of Hanna-Barbera’s highest rated syndicated shows, and there were three unfinished episodes in production (as well as established outlines for up to seven more episodes), which all got left hanging. While Turner is often quoted as saying that Hanna-Barbera had plenty of other cartoons which didn’t “encourage kids to shoot people”, it’s a leap to deduce that he cancelled SWAT Kats, as he was actually referring to Beavis And Butthead. note  Christian Tremblay, co-creator of SWAT Kats, denies Turner had anything to do with the cancellation: “We have respect for Ted Turner, because of him, we got the show financed back in 1993, and I like the guy. The decision to stop the show was not his but more executives way below him.”

A similar occurrence took place to a much greater extent, especially in the later seasons, of Static Shock. The Milestone Comic on which it is based can be best described as an Amazing Spider-Man with a black hero, twice as much angst, and 10 times more contemporary content (sex, gay-bashing and visual gang warfare were but a few of the series’s recurring focal points). While the beginning of the animated series is close enough to its source material, it became more and more child-oriented as time went on. Family-Friendly Firearms was in full effect by the middle of the series even though real guns were seen and used in the series’ premiere. There is another example of a non-laser gun when a bullied kid steals his father’s gun with the intention to kill his tormentor; he ends up being knocked to the ground by some students with the gun going off and hitting his friend Richie in the leg. Richie doesn’t bleed, but you can tell he is in serious pain. Later on, we find out he could’ve died if the bullet struck any higher.

Exact same time period, the Saturday morning version of Sonic the Hedgehog (known by fans as SatAM to differentiate it from the syndicated The Adventures of Sonic the Hedgehog) similarly subverted the ghetto. Unfortunately, it fell victim to the decline of Saturday Morning Cartoons in general; many markets pre-empted it from the start in favor of Saturday morning local news. A third season was in the works, but would never see the light of day.

Executive Meddling: Western Animation:
(With all the Moral Guardians and people who want to milk money from franchises, Western Animation is rife with Executive Meddling. )
^I had to throw that in…. now to get to the stuff:

Disney during the last decade of Michael Eisner’s reign was this trope in motion. It came to a head in 1999, when Peter Schneider left his job as chairman of Disney Feature Animation. Eisner told Sharon Morrill (head of Disney’s direct-to-video department) and newly installed Feature Animation head Thomas Schumacher that he no longer wanted to be beholden to filmmakers – from that point on, executives would be making all of the creative decisions. What resulted were seven years of the company spiraling out of control, burning bridges with nearly everyone in Hollywood (including their most valuable partner Pixar), infuriating their stockholders (who revolted after Walt Disney’s nephew Roy resigned from the company in protest), and ultimately costing Eisner his job and Disney its reputation. Thankfully It Got Better, but those last few years are probably the reason that his successor Bob Iger has been the most hands-off CEO that Disney has ever had.

Word of God says that the Earthworm Jim cartoon was made to boost video game sales and that Doug TenNapel wants nothing to do with the show (despite that it’s considered one of the best cartoons of the 1990s).

”Gargoyles suffered this during its final season, The Goliath Chronicles. Executives wanted more lessons crammed in, resulting in a Full House moment at the end of every episode. Unsurprisingly, both the fans and the creator don’t consider the third season as part of canon, save for the first episode.

This is the EXACT reason Sym-Bionic Titan was cancelled, apparently because the higher ups at Cartoon Network wanted toy companies to make toys for the series, but failed to get licensers for it.

    Now it seems that there actually were several toy manufacturers who wanted to take on the show but Cartoon Network never contacted any of them and the show was murdered because of a personal falling out between executives at CN and Genndy Tartakovsky, the former of which wanted the show to go in a more Ben 10 direction.

 In October 2012, DC Nation was set to air the third new episodes of Young Justice and Green Lantern: The Animated Series since they came back from hiatus… only for them to be hiatused again ten hours before airtime and told they’d be back in January. Many rumors came about, including the lack of shorts and the fact that the episode of Young Justice to be aired has Stephanie Brown, the poster child of DC’s Executive Meddling in the New52 era. Current theory is that there were licencing problems involved with YJ using Milestone-based characters like Icon, Rocket and Static— which still doesn’t explain why Green Lantern: The Animated Series and the shorts were pulled, too. Whether it’s Executive Meddling or Screwed by the Network is still unclear.

    Shortly after the shows came back, Cartoon Network dropped the revelation that both would not be renewed for more seasons. The two series had been quietly cancelled back before the hiatus, although the creative teams were not allowed to state it until the network made it official. The apparent reasoning for the schedule change and cancellation was that network higher-ups felt that the shows did not perform well enough, due to their lack of toylines. According to Jerome K Moore (character designer for Young Justice), WB Animation was willing to go through with a season 3, but the network’s lack of renewal put a halt to the idea.
    Recently, an interview with Paul Dini by Kevin Smith laid out a big bombshell: that Cartoon Network is in the mindset that not only do cartoons just sell toys, but also that cartoons are only for boys. Many of the cartoons were being enjoyed by girls and, as such, Cartoon Network has deemed them “failures”.

 Sonic Sat AM The series was cancelled because of meddling, not from Sega, but from ABC – a new president came in and declared that he was sweeping out the old and bringing in new stuff. That, coupled with the fact that the show’s ratings suffered as a result of its competition with Mighty Morphin’ Power Rangers, resulted in its cancellation.

    Some of the second season’s alterations were a result of Executive Meddling too. The creative team were asked to balance out the gender ratio with another female character, resulting in the creation of spotlight stealer Dulcy the Dragon. Similarly, executives also asked for more comedic material, the infamous Antoine-centered half-hour episodes being part of that request. 

What I wanna do here is show a few games that have the balance that most E rated games of today are missing, as well as elements on how Sonic can be handled when done right. At the very least, it will show that an E rated games doesn’t need to be just for kids or made the same way Nintendo likes to do them, or at least showing a good balance.

Now, looking at all those games, you’ve got elements there that make the games more interesting. All of them have an engaging storyline and action to make you get into and care about the game, as well as good music, Sly Cooper has good balanced dialogue, Bastion and Tansistor have great artstyle and presentation, Bomberman showcases it’s cool looking enemies, which look like robots with DBZ scanners, and Buck Bumble has it’s cool premise of an armed cybernetic bee going against an army of mutated bugs, and it’s not played merely for kicks. In their own way, all of these games have something cool and interesting about them that people of all ages can get into, without primarily being made to target to kids, unlike this:

Whether or not Lost Mind looks fun, the game is no where near appealing to the average gamer nor is it presented well enough to make people care beyond that fact that it’s a Sonic game and that it’s colorful, proven by the experience noted in this article. Of course, you have Sonic Boom which looks better in comparison, but that dialogue is gonna piss off a good amount of people, if it already hasn’t.

First off, I wanna go on record that I feel that this, very well done video, is aimed at Nintendo fanboys, though it may not be the authors intent, I don’t know too many other kinds of gamers who would need to be told this:

I can’t comment on everything the guy says since it’s been a while since I watched it, but it really needs to be pointed out that too many gamers generalize games for the smallest things. Yes, someone could try to say, for instance, Sonic Boom, that people criticize without playing it, but many of us actually look at the content which is shown in the game because that’s what matters most, not just the gameplay, and many of us feel that the content sucks. It’s different from the average hardcore gamer, either Nintendo, Sony, or Microsoft , where you get those(Nintendo boys) that talk about gameplay over content(and ESRB rating) but will only acknowledge Nintendo games when they do it, and when it comes to M rated games, most of the time, they claim them to not be fun or “not mature”, because for some reason, they think rated M is suppose to mean handling things rationally, when it reality, there isn’t too many games I can think of that do that, at all, being that the majority of them are based conflict to begin with, and your characters isn’t always your standard hero type. I have to say though, I doubt this will be a convincing argument when scenes like this come out of these “non-mature” games:

Then, you got a lot of these other cats who fill any E rated game or any with a good amount of, color, in it, are kiddy. Now, for the most part, I partially agree, since many E rated games these days aren’t even half as good or appealing as many in the past or most other games these days in general, especially back in the 16-bit era, where we had games like Toejam and Earl, Battletoads, and Earthworm Jim, however, if one were to actually pay attention to Xbox Live, Playstation Network, and Steam, you can find a good amount of E looking games without near kiddy content. The thing is with this bunch, we run into a problem when games that aren’t even kiddy at all are still criticized for some reason(I read about this happening to a specific game but I can’t find the TVTrope page I read this about).

Now, about games being fun, I think people tend to mix the context. For example, with Sonic games, I’ve seen many people say as an argument against taking Sonic seriously, that Sonic is about fun. Here’s the thing, video games in general are suppose to be fun in some way, shape, or form, and many of them can do it while having serious or even dark elements, and hell, I don’t see people complaining about Sonic CD being dark, yes it was more subtle, but the shiznit was there. In any case, I think people who say this are using the context that the game itself needs to be fun, I.E., like Sonic colors where the game tries it’s hardest to be funny, or just not being serious at all and putting on a smile through everything, or even basically being sugar-coated, the best way of summing this up is being light hearted. The problem is that this is kinda pushing the notion that the games need to be Fun/light hearted to actually be fun to play, or better yet, enjoyable, and that kinda sets you up to hating almost anything that doesn’t follow this notion, or outright ignoring many great titles even if they look “Fun”, and either way, shouldn’t be the only thing focused on all the time. People want more then just “fun” games, they want engaging games are at least one that appeals to them and accommodating features to make them enjoyable, which in itself, will make them fun to play, for example, GTA+Online=Fun. It’s funny though, as I played GTA3 a long time ago with a code book and made every pedestrian riot and gave them weapons. The streets were on fire, and it was funny as hell, and fun to play. Even then though, as I played Halo 4, the campaign itself was not “fun”, but the thing was, I played it for the engaging and epic storyline, which the experience in itself, is what made the game worth playing. However, it’s a different story online against other players, I can say it was fun, especially when I understood that it was better to find other weapons since most of them were better then your average loadout(not just the pistols, rifles and other energy weapons you unlocked as you played). Marvel Alliance 2, what makes it fun is getting all these cool super heroes together to serve beat downs, and it’s always fun playing as Deadpool, and both Luke Cage and Venom or also just as cool. Unreal Tournament(Get COD out my face), I can easily say this is actually fun to play, it’s fast paced and they have all these sci-fi weapons, but once notable match i got into was a team match in a small map with nothing but rocket launchers. Yeah, I got killed a lot, but everyone on the scoreboard walked away with over a hundred kills, and I came in late mind you, lol, so I still came out pretty good.

I think this is the real problem here, it’s not even focusing only on fun as I look at it now, because you can enjoy a game for different reasons, which makes it fun, but using “Fun” as a descriptive manner and placing strict guidelines to it, that is needing games to be their vision of fun, rather then being able to enjoy them for what the game itself offers. It’s dangerous within the Sonic fanbase since the term can easily be confused with the games themselves needing to be fun to play since Sonic suffered in gameplay(not to a degree that made the games bad, only in 06’s case since it wasn’t polished anyway), so it sorta puts them in the right to the average person unless you actually think about it, since many of us still had fun with the darker games. The other troubling part about this is when so many of these people will tell you, if you make the complaint, is that whether or not a game is too kiddy/light hearted shouldn’t matter, only that you enjoy the game, but outside of them placing strict guidelines on enjoying games, they will turn around and try to convince people that it’s wrong for Sonic to be dark and/or taken seriously. One would have to ask how is that so when being kiddy doesn’t matter, but it matters of it’s dark, unless of course they just don’t want to take Sonic seriously, period. First of all, it shows how much content actually matters, and it showed when Sega and Sonic took half the console market from Nintendo back in the day, and it shows when they try to convince you that Sonic Lost World is good when the gameplay sucks. One could say that since so many games are dark/M rated/not “fun”, that they are trying to hang onto what few “Fun” games they can find, but there’s 2 things to that:

1. Like I said before, if you pay attention to the digital market, or sometimes, the rest of the video game industry and not just focus on M rated games, you’ll find some good E rated games. It’s reinforced, as listed by TVTropes, ” in 2010 only 5% of video games released had an M rating. However, this small minority was the focus of more hype than the rest”.

2. Sonic was not made to be their vision of “fun”, I.E., light hearted. No matter how much they will try to use the classics to further their arguments, but most normal people can see that Sonic was a totally different beast from Mario, especially after Sonic FREAKIN’ 1, and AOSTH for that matter. Hell, taking notice to the fact that Sonic’s 2 fights with the final boss in 3&Knuckles was more epic then most non-cartoony games at the time(I’m talking Double Dragon, Streets of Rage, Mortal kombat, etc), or even most other cartoony games(almost all), will tell you Sonic was definitely made to be edgy(The main reason he was not only the most popular character at the time, but why so many characters mimicked him). The ironic part though? What Sega has been doing to Sonic since Colors and what the Xer’s advocate is exactly why the majority of Sonic copies failed in the first place.(I really need to write something just about this).

Anyway, the whole argument about games needing to be “fun”/light hearted to be enjoyable is flawed, the bit about gameplay being the most important part of a game is flawed, and appeal is what it all comes down to for even picking up games and spending your money on them in the first place, and it’s proven on all side on the daily. Anyone trying to say different, the next time someone offers you something, just say no, you had too much of it. Peace.

Something I’ve thought about for a while now, but once you think about it, it’s kinda hard to categorize Sonic fans in groups by era or age rather then interest, because when you get right down to it, most Sonic fans aren’t bound to one era/age, but to a certain interest(however wrong that may be). One thing I’ve noticed about this is that most Sonic fans like at least 2 different era’s, those who liking only one being far and few in between. Reading back through some articles from Heru Sankofa, I think he was more on the money when classified fans as Casters and Xer’s, and I think more people should look more into doing that to, but at the very least, I wanna put down a few things about these groups down here for a second, while adding a 3rd group, which I can only classify as neutrals unless someone can come up with a better name, and I’ll sorta be piggybacking from Heru’s article on this.

Xers hate:

Pretty much every game that has “darker” content (with Shadow and 06 as their only arguments as to why it’s soooo bad to have dark content period).

The Comics

Call them classic or modern fans, many(not all) of them are one in the same to me, a bunch of damage controlling, fraudulent, corporate slaves. These are the guys right here who will fight you tooth and nail over the notion that Sonic needs to be light hearted, and while they will use Shadow and 06, maybe even SA2, as scapegoats, the fact that many of them are hardcore gamers(usually Nintendo section) that criticize M rated games for not being “mature”(as if many E rated games are any better), one would have to think this is more about them wanting games to fit more with their taste in games, in this case, Sonic. What makes it worse is that many of these guys will use the classics and AOSTH to also further their points on Sonic being light hearted, when any sane Sonic fan who’s actually played the games can tell you upfront that the classics were nowhere on the level of light hearted as Colors and Lost World, CD being one of the best examples. As far as AOSTH is concerned, I don’t even know why people hang on to that to begin with(outside of being funny, which really wasn’t), seeing as we had Underground and SATAM, but a good amount of them hate them, at least SATAM, for being too dark. I should also mention how X is also brought up which isn’t even good unless they aren’t talking about the “4Kids” addition. However, this video sums it up pretty nicely:

All in all, this faction here is detrimental to the fanbase and series because they occupy almost all discussions on Sonic over the net, be it youtube on your standard forum, with their light hearted mindset. Not to mention the fact that during the “dark ages”, we still had the advance titles, spin-offs, and rush for them to fall back on, but while rush became popular, and Riders was criticized just for Sonic riding on floating skateboards, the other games were ignored while the constantly bashed Shadow and 06 for being edgy. There’s also this thing where many of these guys will acknowledge that Sonic was always aimed at kids, but they never focused on just how it was done. Back then, Sonic was aimed at kids by getting teenagers interested, so kids would think Sonic was a cool enough game to play. Now, Sonic is aimed at kids by becoming a shell of himself by mimicking the average modern day cartoon, especially many of them ones you’d see on cartoon network, not like back in the day where a cartoon had more substance then the everyday happenings of a retarded sponge, but actual characters, kids who were active and got into different things:

cool or mutated animals:

or just plain coolness:

If you guys remember any of these shows, while many of them still had comedic moments, there was still some substance and action to be had, in Ed,Edd, and Eddy’s case, in came in the form of them always them getting themselves into the situations they always wound up in.

Back to Sonic though, simply put, if you advocate Sonic being better for being light hearted, full of bad jokes, and a complete lack of substance, you’re only making the series worse for everyone else who actually liked the series for being cool, and if anything, should just stick to spin-offs and handheld titles.

Casters hate:


Advance games

Maybe the Rush games

Olympics crap



Pretty much the group I’m in, as well as most people who would be called adventure fans, though I actually like Advance 3, Battle, and Heroes, Rush really ain’t that good to me, and the rest, yeah, don’t like’m. While many of us think the Adventure games were the best, and many of us actually liking Shadow and 06, a good amount of us feel a bit of emptiness with Unleashed, then again, the same could be said for Heroes, which was why SA2 was crowned the best game. I haven’t met too many casters on this side who dislike the classics, and a good amount of us actually recognize them as the cool games they were and not some game about a blue hedgehog who fights an egg shaped scientist. A good amount of us also acknowledge and like other Sonic mediums like SATAM and the comics, but there are still some who don’t, simply for the canon thing, which to me, as long as Sonic is be handled right, or at least better then what’s going on now with the games, I’m ok with it. At the very least, the comics are the only medium that doesn’t treat the series like a joke(both Archie and Fleetway), and even after the unneeded reboot, the Archie comics still show good writing and characterization, with the overall balanced and cool tone with elements from both sides of the “Dark ages”(in case you don’t get it, I’m counting the games from colors and on as their own dark age), with both good plots AND (GOOD or tolerable)humor. The Fleetway comics, as far as I’ve seen, are still on as they were. It’s funny though, once you realize how the other fans bash Archie comics for not being like the games, when the same can be said about AOSTH, when the Fleetway comics still get ignored when they actually are based on the games, like how in one Issue where Tails reminds Sonic what happened last time they chased the Flying Fortress. Of course, since a lot of people can’t handle Sonic being a smartass, both Archie and Fleetway or viewed in a negative way, which is just sad that we have to have such a sensitive group of people. On another note, a good amount of us are also able to recognize other games, TV shows, and movies, that took anthropomorphic animals and made them cool, as I did with the videos above. Which is a shame once you realize the people behind Sonic Boom, Big Red Button, are former Sony devs, whose games like Sly and Ratchet had that right kind of balance and coolness Sonic needs, is still treating the franchise as a kids TV show rather then a teenagers game, but in all honesty, I still think SOJ has a hand in this, or BRB just views Sonic that way as well. Either way is still bad for us. Much like the X’ers though, there are Nintendo fans among us, but I’ve noticed many other casters aren’t complete fanboys for them, and while they may like Nintendo(like I used to), they will actually criticize them and their games, much like Blackb0nd, even if all his views and opinions aren’t agreed on, this video and it’s comments being a good example:

Hell, I’ll even post 2 comments from a debate B0nd was in with another user:

Jared Strop
1 month ago
+BLACKB0ND Read my last posts more carefully. You said “If people didn’t we wouldn’t be playing on HDTV’s now would we?”. Under no point did I argue about resolution, which is the defining feature of an HDTV. I’m arguing about mature content.
I’m saying that how mature the content is has no bearing on how good the gameplay is and people that prioritize content over gameplay are immature.

1 month ago
+Jared Strop
Because content is what is rated? Are you stupid? Gameplay doesn’t have a rating because gameplay is an OPINION. Drugs, Sex, Violence, Murder, Nudity, Language. That’s not opinionated. Games are Age Rated for Content based on Gameplay.


Debating with a Nintendo fan in a nutshell, though, it’s hypocritical that they say gameplay is king and all that but they NEVER talk about gameplay when it comes to mature games, the criticisms are always based on content, but you get to an E rated game and all of a sudden “it shouldn’t matter”, as it shows by Jared in a few more comments…

Because the game play is fresh. Splatoon and Captain Toad look fun, yo.

Splatoon? You mean this:


Yeah, this game makes Sonic Boom look as appealing as Ratchet and Clank…… lol, get it?


Never mind. 😀

Anyway, notice the two games he bring up are E rated, and extra points for BOTH of them being on the WiiU. This guy could’ve made a list of a good amount of games ranging from all ratings that are good, like M rated like Protoype and Dishonored, T like Infamous, Marvel vs. Capcom 3, and Transistor, and E like Sideway New York, Dust – An Elysian Tail, and Sly Cooper. It would at least make him seem less bias but no, only Nintendo games are acknowledged when it comes to good gameplay, which shows gameplay really isn’t king. This is why it’s better to be less of a Nintendo fanboy as possible. Yes, Sony and Microsoft fans do the same thing but they aren’t the only one who come come up on our forums and other sites saying that Sonic should be like Mario and how Nintendo makes quality games as if no one else can, so have that seat. I’ve even encountered a large group of Sonic fans who weren’t into Nintendo at all, and the majority of them were straight up casters and disagreed with the ways of the Xers(lol).

Now, we have this 3rd group which I think the term “Happy crowd” fits better with then the X’ers, or if you’d like, the “Don’t give a s**t crowd”. These are the guys who will proclaim that they like Sonic no matter what happens, so really, if it’s true, it puts them on a half and half basis with the Casters and X’ers, which could be good or bad depending on what kind of game it is. Though, I’ve noticed these guys will sometimes get hostile or try to calm down, or sometimes even damage control complaints made about anything, but at this moment, I only see the happening when it comes to us casters criticizing the newer games. Outside of that, these are usually the guys who show up in discussions or videos with no much to add other then how awesome Sonic or a certain game is.

Not much else I need to add, just felt like talking about the groups in depth, and sorta ranted a bit. Who cares, you come to this site to read anyway, so there you go. Peace out. 😀

Well it’s been a while but I really had to do this. There isn’t much else that has to be said about this article since I posted enough there as it is, however this goes way past the point of liking or disliking Shadow(I would’ve spoke up if he wrote junk like this about any Sonic character), but it’s utter stupidity and high high levels of Hate Dumb is alarming. First off, we get it, the guy hates Shadow, but comments like these are not only going overboard, but distracting from the actual reasons these problems came up.

“This blatant attempt by Sega to have their child-friendly series appeal to gun-porn fanatics” – rumor has it that it was actually kids who asked for this game to happen, and even then, we’ve had kid friendly games with guns in them before, or matter of fact, kids playing games with guns in them since, ever. Not to mention that if you read about Shadow on Wikipedia, his solo game “was voted the best game of 2006 in the Official Jetix Magazine Reader Awards”, Jetix being a kids Magazine. Certainly don’t see the new games gettin’ praise outside of reviewers that Sonic fans finally decided not to listen to when a good amount of them bash Lost World(oh god that was funny)

“these personality traits – found frequently in numerous works aimed at young adults – that have resonated with Sonic’s increasingly hormonal fanbase. As such, Shadow’s – and to an extent, Rouge’s – presence in the Sonic series has been a major catalyst in the rise of awkwardly romantic and sexual Sonic fan art and fan fiction. ” – He’s actually blaming personality traits and certain characters for the presence of porn? I guess every game and cartoon known to man were edgy and dark, given the fact that Rule 34 means “if it exists, there’s porn of it”. Heh, I guess it now means “if it exists, it’s dark and edgy” by this nut cases logic. I would have to wonder what he thought of Sally before she was turned metal and rebooted with full clothing.


The chick many a hater accused of selling her body for not meeting a non-existent dress code.

“inextricably linked to, and is at least partially responsible for, Sega’s post-Dreamcast woes” – This is just a flat out lie. The majority of this is mainly on Sega of Japans shoulders. Hell, it was their bright idea to kill off the Genesis too soon(killing off Ristar’s chances at good sales) out of the sake of their own jealousy of the Sega U.S. branch doing better then them in their own country. It was a slippery downfall since then, and to you Nintendo drones, Sega went 3rd party because of Sony over hyping the PS2, not Nintendo simply “winning”, as they had been havin’ their backsides handed to them since the PS1 came out. All of Sega problems were do to internal affairs.

Another issue with not only the article, but many of the comments as well, is the mystical beast of a buzzword know as “opinion”. The problem here is that for some reason, people seem to think stating an opinion means you should be able to spit any BS and that no one should criticize the person for being wrong or outright stupid. It’s like having a guy say “Hitler was right” and gettin’ mad at someone from slapping him because “he only stated his opinion!”. This is exactly why I said some time ago that people should forget about respecting opinions, because it’s never about stating opinions, it’s about begging people to stroke your ego. Not to mention that people care more about respecting opinions rather then other people, and I know someone’s gonna say something about my aggressive comments on TSSZ, but I can’t show respect to people like that, especially when they promote the series into becoming and over childish series for the sake of either their own fear of having another Shadow and 06, or plain vanity when it comes to games being light hearted, because the majority of the time, the people begging for Sonic to be more “whimsical” usually be the type of folk who bash other games just for being M-rated, or ignore almost anything Nintendo doesn’t make. I.E. Nintendo drones. I mean, these people could at least act like you can have balanced games. Furthermore, if everyone had this logic and let anyone say what they want without question, we wouldn’t get videos like this:

Going off that, overall, the article itself is a bad reflection on the fanbase, cause you know once some outsider reads this, they’re just gonna think “those Sonic fans again”, or even worse, anyone from Sega thinks so. Just like the guy who first complained about green eyes, people will look at that article and just think of us in general, meaning it will reflect how Sonic fans feel, rather they actually do or not, plus, this is posted on a popular new site as well. It’s really an insult to everyone involved and makes you wonder how many of these people are actually Sonic fans(the commenters and westgarth, not TSSZ as a whole), but even then, I’ve got half the mind to boycott TSSZ if articles like these are what’s allowed to be put on their boards, mainly for the bad representation it brings down on the rest of us.

Lastly, I wanna say that ideas like Shadow being like Mandark or Squidward or just plain idiotic. Hey, we’ve got a cool series about anthromophic heroes going around saving the world from mad scientists and evil aliens! You know what would be great to base our work on for a cool Anti-Hero? Bland or nerdy characters from cartoon with barely any action in them whatsoever!!!!(TBH, I did like Dexters Lab but that’s beside the point).

And don’t you question it either, “because they sound different”, we automatically have to accept such lunacy. I bet they’d be singing a different tune if I had suggested Shadow be like this in the same fashion-


But kids love me!

Eh, who I’m I kiddin’, even this would be too far for these sensitive people-


I’m melodramatic….

There’s the whole “child-friendly” issue but do really need to point out the obvious for the thousandth time? Seriously, kids have been playing shooters since the NES days, plus games with mature content. What the hell was wrong about kids playing any of the “dark games” before Colors?